Brussels has its own indoor smoking room while everyone else gets arrested if they did the same

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/02/camerons-eu-summit-long-night-ahead-in-brussels/

Nigel Farage is also strolling around the building, though he has yet to start puffing away in the smoking pen.

Just how stupid do they think the little people are! If we can be arrested and imprisoned like Nick Hogan was and his pub bankrupted,its time to storm the EU Brussels building and burn it down!

Pub landlord is first person in Britain to be jailed over smoking ban

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1254126/Pub-landlord-Nick-Hogan-given-smoking-ban-jail-sentence.html#ixzz40YSJcikr

Nick Hogan was the first person to be prosecuted under the new smoking laws. He will spend six months in prison after refusing to pay a fine

A judge fined Hogan, of Chorley, Lancashire, £3,000 and ordered him to pay £7,236 in costs after finding him guilty of four charges under the Health Act 2006.

But the married father-of-two refused to pay the fine and yesterday, after repeatedly being hauled back before the courts, a judge sitting at Bolton Crown Court finally lost patience and jailed him.

Last night his wife, Denise, 53, who is also a publican, said she was disgusted that her husband would be in prison alongside murderers and rapists.

‘Criminals and bad people go to prison not law-abiding businessmen like my husband who are trying to earn an honest living,’ she said. ‘Nick doesn’t deserve to go to jail, all he has done is speak his mind and people simply don’t like it.

‘Ninety per cent of people who come into my pub want to smoke, even the non-smokers think there should be a choice. These laws are ridiculous.’

At the hearing, in January 2008, magistrates were told Hogan held a ‘mass light-up’ in his two pubs, the Swan Hotel and Barristers’ Bar, in Bolton, on the day the smoking ban came into force in July 2007.

He was visited by inspectors from the local authority, who found letters taped to pub tables advising customers they had the ‘freedom to choose whether or not to smoke’.

They also saw regulars smoking on five separate occasions.

Hogan, who has since sold his lease for both the pubs, was cleared of one count of failing to prevent his customers from smoking and four further charges of obstructing council officers.

Deborah Arnott, chief executive of the anti-smoking group ASH, insisted it was a myth that the anti-smoking legislation had forced pubs out of business.

She said: ‘Many pubs have shifted their focus to serving food, so they have changed their nature.’

She added: ‘Mr Hogan is the exception, not the norm, because compliance rates for the ban are way above 90 per cent.’

 

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The solution is outlawing Buildings not people

The solution is outlawing Buildings not people.

Funny first you have to believe in the so called ” HARM BELIEF SYSTEM” Since nobody can prove a smoking or vaping disease even exists. Next you have to peer into the over 3000 VOCs non smokers exhale into the same indoor space which almost matches chemically what smokers and vapors are releasing too. After you know the facts it might appear we just need to outlaw BUILDINGS.

Stolen from Mikle Mcfadden moments ago:

I hate to upset your world, but what on earth do you think you’re breathing anytime you’re sharing a room with anyone? If it’s a smoke-banned room with the typical lack of ventilation in such places you’re breathing a nicely concentrated stew of their respiratory chemical waste and the poisons that their bodies are excreting as well as who-all-knows how many airborne disease bacteria and viruses and fungi. Are you aware that normal human exhalations contain roughly 3,000 VOCs (Volatile Organic Chemicals) **ALL** of which, in sufficient concentrations would kill you deader than a nonsmoking doornail?

 

Non-Smokers exhaled breath

Chemical analysis of exhaled human breath using a terahertz spectroscopic approach
2013

“As many as 3500 chemicals are reported in exhaled human breath. Many of these chemicals are linked to certain health conditions and environmental exposures. This experiment demonstrated a method of breath analysis utilizing a high resolution spectroscopic technique for the detection of ethanol, methanol, and acetone in the exhaled breath of a person who consumed alcohol. This technique is applicable to a wide range of polar molecules. For select species, unambiguous detection in a part per trillion dilution range with a total sample size in a femtomol range is feasible.”
http: //scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/apl/103/13/10.1063/1.4823544

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Medicinal Smoke Reduces Airborne Bacteria – 2007

We have observed that 1 h treatment of medicinal smoke emination by burning wood and a mixture of odoriferous and medicinal herbs (havan sámagri = material used in oblation to fire all over India) on aerial bacterial population caused over 94% reduction of bacterial counts by 60 min and the ability of the smoke to purify or disinfect the air and to make the environment cleaner was maintained up to 24 h in the closed room.

Absence of pathogenic bacteria Corynebacterium urealyticum, Curtobacterium flaccumfaciens, Enterobacter aerogenes (Klebsiella mobilis), Kocuria rosea, Pseudomonassyringae pv. persicae, Staphylococcus lentus, and Xanthomonas campestris pv. tardicrescens inthe open room even after 30 days is indicative of the bactericidal potential of the medicinal smoke treatment.

We have demonstrated that using medicinal smoke it is possible to completely eliminate diverse plant and human pathogenic bacteria of the air within confined space.
Work has implications to use the smoke generated by burning wood and a mixture of odoriferousand medicinal herbs, within confined spaces such as animal barns and seed/grain warehouses to disinfect the air and to make the environment cleaner.
Work indicates that certain known medicinal constituents from the havan sámagri can thus be added to the burning farm material while disposing unwanted agriculture organic material, in order to reduce plant pathogenicorganisms.

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Medicinal smokes

Abstract
“All through time, humans have used smoke of medicinal plants to cure illness.
To the best of our knowledge, the ethnopharmacological aspects of natural products’ smoke for therapy and health care have not been studied.
Mono- and multi-ingredient herbal and non-herbal remedies administered as smoke from 50 countries across the 5 continents are reviewed.

Most of the 265 plant species of mono-ingredient remedies studied belong to Asteraceae (10.6%), followed by Solanaceae (10.2%), Fabaceae (9.8%) and Apiaceae (5.3%). The most frequent medical indications for medicinal smoke are pulmonary (23.5%), neurological (21.8%) and dermatological (8.1%).

Other uses of smoke are not exactly medical but beneficial to health, and include smoke as a preservative or a repellent and the social use of smoke.

The three main methods for administering smoke are inhalation, which accounts for 71.5% of the indications; smoke directed at a specific organ or body part, which accounts for 24.5%; ambient smoke (passive smoking), which makes up the remaining 4.0%. Whereas inhalation is typically used in the treatment of pulmonary and neurological disorders and directed smoke in localized situations, such as dermatological and genito-urinary disorders,

”ambient smoke is not directed at the body at all but used as an air purifier.”

The advantages of smoke-based remedies are rapid delivery to the brain, more efficient absorption by the body and lower costs of production. This review highlights the fact that not enough is known about medicinal smoke and that a lot of natural products have potential for use as medicine in the smoke form.

Furthermore, this review argues in favor of medicinal smoke extended use in modern medicine as a form of drug delivery and as a promising source of new active natural ingredients”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu…

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EPA & FDA: Vapor Harmless to Children

“Reregistration Eligibility Decision For Propylene Glycol and Dipropylene Glycol“, which was created by the United State Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

in 1942 by Dr. Robertson regarding the antibacterial properties of vaporized propylene glycol, but I had never heard that the FDA wound up approving it for the purpose of an air disinfectant in hospitals.

Indoor Non-Food: Propylene glycol is used on the following use sites: air treatment (eating establishments, hospital, commercial, institutional, household, bathroom, transportational facilities); medical premises and equipment, commercial, institutional and industrial premises and equipment; (page 6, paragraph 2)

Continued…

Method and Rates of Application

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Air Sanitizer

Read the directions included with the automatic dispenser for proper installation of unit and refill. Remove cap from aerosol can and place in a sequential aerosol dispenser which automatically releases a metered amount every 15 minutes. One unit should treat 6000 ft of closed air space… For regular, non-metered applications, spray room until a light fog forms. To sanitize the air, spray 6 to 8 seconds in an average size room (10’x10′). (page 6, paragraph 6)

A common argument used to support the public usage ban is that, “Minnesotans have become accustomed to the standard of clean indoor air.” However, according to the EPA and FDA, so long as there’s a “light fog” of propylene glycol vapor in the air, the air is actually more clean than the standard that Minnesotans have become accustomed to.

General Toxicity Observations

Upon reviewing the available toxicity information, the Agency has concluded that there are no endpoints of concern for oral, dermal, or inhalation exposure to propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol. This conclusion is based on the results of toxicity testing of propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol in which dose levels near or above testing limits (as established in the OPPTS 870 series harmonized test guidelines) were employed in experimental animal studies and no significant toxicity observed.

Carcinogenicity Classification

A review of the available data has shown propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol to be negative for carcinogenicity in studies conducted up to the testing limit doses established by the Agency; therefore, no further carcinogenic analysis is required. (page 10, paragraphs 1 & 2)

Ready for the bombshell? I probably should have put this at the top, as it could have made this post a lot shorter, but I figured the information above was important, too…

2. FQPA Safety Factor

The FQPA Safety Factor (as required by the Food Quality Protection Act of 1996) is intended to provide an additional 10-fold safety factor (10X), to protect for special sensitivity in infants and children to specific pesticide residues in food, drinking water, or residential exposures, or to compensate for an incomplete database. The FQPA Safety Factor has been removed (i.e., reduced to 1X) for propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol because there is no pre- or post-natal evidence for increased susceptibility following exposure. Further, the Agency has concluded that there are no endpoints of concern for oral, dermal, or inhalation exposure to propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol based on the low toxicity observed in studies conducted near or above testing limit doses as established in the OPPTS 870 series harmonized test guidelines. Therefore, quantitative risk assessment was not conducted for propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol.

In a paper published in the American Journal of Public Health by Dr. Robertson in April of 1946, Robertson cites a study published in the Edinburgh Medical Journal, which was conducted in 1944:

The report of the 3 years’ study of the clinical application of the disinfection of air by glycol vapors in a children’s convalescent home showed a marked reduction in the number of acute respiratory infections occurring in the wards treated with both propylene and triethylene glycols. Whereas in the control wards, 132 infections occured during the course of three winters, there were only 13 such instances in the glycol wards during the same period. The fact that children were, for the most part, chronically confined to bed presented an unusually favorable condition for the prophylactic action of the glycol vapor.

An investigation of the effect of triethylene glycol vapor on the respiratory disease incidence in military barracks brought out the fact that, while for the first 3 weeks after new personnel entered the glycolized area the disease rate remained the same as in the control barracks, the second 3 week period showed a 65 percent reduction in acute respiratory infections in the glycol treated barracks. Similar effects were observed in respect to airborne hemolytic streptococci and throat carriers of this microorganism.

So as we can  see we either outlaw buildings or we openly demand PUBLIC HEALTH bring in the smokers and the Vapors to help keep indoor spaces disinfected and clean from all those nasty non smokers germs.

 

Nicotine is not addictive, no conclusive evidence found

Duh Go figure somebody finally added 2+2 and it finally equaled 4

 

Nicotine is not addictive, no conclusive evidence found

No conclusive evidence, clinical trials, or studies exist showing dependence to nicotine alone

The claim of nicotine having addictive properties is well accepted by professionals in the health and medical fields, but is not supported with definitive clinical evidence. Smokers have been told they are addicted by health professionals around the world. This tactic has a term called “proof by assertion.” Wikipedia’s definition of proof by assertion is “an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly re-stated regardless of contradiction.” Spoiler alert: tobacco is addictive. Nicotine, without additives, has never proven to be addictive on its own, specifically with non-smokers or never-smokers. These assertive claims need to be addressed properly.

There is no conclusive addiction evidence, only rhetoric

The claim of addiction to nicotine is always stated within the context and accompanied by chemicals and tobacco. Why demonize nicotine?  By taking tobacco out of the equation, nicotine is not the cause for addiction to smoking. If these unsubstantiated claims were true that nicotine is “highly addictive” and “more addictive than heroin,” wouldn’t nicotine products create addicts to their products, and wouldn’t health officials advise against using them? Absolutely not. The United States Federal Drug Administration changed nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) labels and stated “decades of research and use have shown that NRT products sold OTC do not appear to have significant potential for abuse or dependence.” Conclusion? There is no clinical evidence to support nicotine addiction.
The same conclusion is coming from consumers of e-cigarettes. When it comes to tobacco harm reduction, vaping products are taking smokers away from cigarettes. Nicotine provides a “throat hit” similar to what they experienced when smoking cigarettes, and satisfies the hand to mouth habit they’ve done for years. To reduce nicotine by choice is simple depending on the strength chosen. Some choose higher strength, some reduce strength over time, and others choose to go nicotine-free.

There’s more to nicotine

Nicotine isn’t taking any more bad press. The chemical is not only a derivative of tobacco, it’s in potatoes, peppers, and other nightshade plants. That’s right, you’ve been eating nicotine in your diet for years. Groundbreaking studies are taking nicotine to a whole new level and giving hope for Parkinson’s disease. A study from Vanderbilt University by Dr. Paul Newhouse showed no withdrawal symptoms from all non-smoking Alzheimer’s patients once they stopped using a nicotine patch, and none of them started smoking. Dr. Ki Hyeong Lee was faced with a four year old suffering from as many as 20 epileptic seizures a night in Orlando, Florida. He decided to “prescribe” a nicotine patch and the child’s “seizures stopped almost immediately,” giving this child a new lease on life.

There’s no conclusive evidence to point to showing any addiction to nicotine, alone, in an unaltered natural state. For any professional health or tobacco expert claiming nicotine is addictive in and of itself, I respectfully request that you show proper evidence, clinical research, and science in the comment section below — and I thank you for it in advance.

High tobacco Taxes create the same problems as 1920s Prohibition

The high tax burden on tobacco results in de facto prohibition of the products, bringing all the undesirable outcomes associated with alcohol prohibition in the 1920s. In our research we have found evidence of substantial tobacco smuggling from low to high tax jurisdictions, violent crime, theft of tobacco and tobacco tax stamps, corruption of law-enforcement officers, and even funding of terrorist organizations through crime rings.

Tobacco Taxation and Unintended Consequences: U.S. Senate Hearing on Tobacco Taxes Owed, Avoided, and Evaded

Drenkard Statement to U.S. Senate Finance Committee July 2014

Hearing on Tobacco: Taxes Owed, Avoided, and Evaded
Before the U.S. Senate Committee on Finance

Chairman Wyden, Ranking Member Hatch, and members of the Committee:

I appreciate the opportunity to submit this statement on tobacco taxes and their impact across the country. In the 77 years since our founding in 1937, the Tax Foundation has monitored tax policy trends at the federal and state levels, and our data and research are heavily relied upon by policymakers, the media, and the general public. Our analysis is guided by the idea that taxes should be as simple, neutral, transparent, and stable as possible, and as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, nonpartisan organization, we take no position on any pending legislation.

We hope that the material we provide will be helpful in the Committee’s consideration of the issue.

Executive Summary

Tobacco taxes are the highest they have ever been in the United States. The federal rate currently stands at $1.0066 per pack of cigarettes, and state and local rates add as much as an additional $6.16 per pack (as in Chicago, Illinois). These combined rates are equivalent to a tax in excess of 200 percent in some locales.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/tobacco-taxation-and-unintended-consequences-us-senate-hearing-tobacco-taxes-owed-avoided-and-evaded

So the Senate held committee hearings on the Highest taxes and found just what we already knew everytime Prohibitionists get their way!

Im sure Al Capone is smiling down from everywhere.

You cant defeat Free Minded people like smokers

Ever wondered about that 20% of hardcore smokers that just Piss Hell out of Tobacco Control. The ones who just say Fuck You and smoke any damn way.

Have we thought hard about the spirit these folks show in that face of constant attack on their way of life. Yet they just don’t care what TC or the government does to criminalize them. They simply know they are not criminals and they act as free people should and defy prohibitionists with such ferocity to the BS everywhere.

Then you have that .00001% who fight back daily at every turn and battle the Nazi facist healthists at every turn. In fact they thirst and hunger for battle with the slime bags of public health.

Yet TOBACCO CONTROL wont even fight back hardly any longer,their at the end of their trail. They have no ideas left short of out and out prohibition.

Even Clive Bates is pretty sure its over for TC and anymore attempts at tougher laws or higher taxes even. They just cant make people do what they want them to do…………

Yet they find such actions as defying them unfathomable!

They scream, they kick,They cant even understand what freedom is and what people will do when forced into a corner. The people push back they ignore the facist edicts,theyd sooner go to jail or be fined than obey the bastards.

Im one of the few who doesn’t give a shit about any of their rules or laws in fact its high time we just went back to smoking inside anywhere we damn well please. What they gonna do toss us all in jail!

Here in America we have the 9th amendment along with many others in the bill of rights to protect our liberties as the same as enumerated rights.

We don’t have to submit to them and they know they are wrong but they don’t care. They are control Freaks total openly Nazified Totalitarians.

Forget health that’s never been the reason and damn well we know it as its all junk science from direct smoking claims to passive smoke to third hand crap…….

Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

This amendment is used to protect the citizenry from any expansion of governmental power because of the limited nature of the Bill of Rights. Because every right of the people of the United States could not possibly be mentioned in the Constitution, the Ninth Amendment was added to supplement those already mentioned. The amendment protects many rights implied in a universal civil code, and those that are linked to other rights already declared. It protects these personal liberties from state and federal infringement.

The tobacco endgame: Radical proposals part of strategy to win faltering war on smoking

The tobacco endgame: Radical proposals part of strategy to win faltering war on smoking

 

This is in Canada:

In the faltering war against cigarettes, the latest battle cries are eye openers: prohibit smoking for anyone born after the year 2000; require a licence to buy cigarettes; nationalize the tobacco industry.

All have been proposed as part of the “tobacco endgame,” a radical — and controversial — new approach to the smoking scourge that a select group of Canadian public-health experts will discuss later this year.

Amazing ehh! Radical no because they have all been proposed and enacted before.

It appears Public Health Canada is on their last leg and going full bore NAZI!

” Canada’s first tobacco-endgame “summit” is planned for Queen’s University in Kingston, Ont., this fall. It will be headed by Dr. Elizabeth Eisenhauer, the oncology department chairwoman, with about 100 invitation-only public-health and policy experts brainstorming a blueprint for dramatic action.”

LAST LEG might be just the correct statement,the BLACKMARKET in Canada is now so big Ive read in some Provinces 80% of the market is contraband but Canada is a veteran of Black market activities from the 1990s the last time they raised taxes so high on tobacco and were the forced to lower those taxes to stop the losses in revenue streams. Besides enforcement costs.

Then they go on;

But even in the anti-smoking world, a minority is questioning the concept on both practical and philosophical grounds, calling the most-discussed endgame tactics autocratic pipe-dreams that would likely achieve little.

Most of the proposals are variations on prohibition — an idea that has failed in most other domains and eras, says David Sweanor, an Ottawa lawyer and long-time anti-smoking activist.

PROHIBITION the Magic Word finally used by the enemy in full view with no reserves!

Then the original birthplace of all the NAZI anti-smoking ideology shows up in full guilt;

 

Academic researchers, experts from health charities like the Canadian Cancer Society and anti-smoking activists — essentially, the brain trust behind most of the current tobacco-reduction measures — will meet Sept. 30-Oct. 1 at Queen’s; some government officials are also expected to attend.

Minds are open, says Eisenhauer. She points to an article by researchers at the University of California at San Francisco as a guide to what the international endgame movement has dreamed up so far.

This includes mandating lower levels of addictive nicotine in cigarettes, changing the pH balance to make them more acrid, limiting sales by requiring a tobacco licence, or prohibiting a whole generation — everyone born after, say, 2000 — from smoking. ”

First off in America this wouldn’t even be allowed.

changing the pH balance to make them more acrid or the limiting of natural nicotine levels. Prohibiting by age born,another simpleton idea on total prohibition.

The blamarkets would grow so big the legal market would collapse under the weight of their products being so crappy everyone would be selling better grade cigarettes on the corners and alleys or simply under the counter in mom and pop shops.

Truly TC has just wasted its last breath,Governments are not going to let the cash cow of tobacco go away,they love it!

The tobacco endgame: Radical proposals part of strategy to win faltering war on smoking

The Canadian endgame group is not about to urge a raft of radical ideas all at once, but a more gradual process, says Schwartz.

“We’re not calling for a revolution.”

”NAA JUST TOTAL PROHIBITION with a plan to get there,basically they wrote their own grave stone marker!”

Even so, Clive Bates is convinced the endgame plans are generally “terrible ideas that won’t work.”

Any kind of partial or full ban or attempt to make legal tobacco less appealing would drive smokers to contraband products like never before, says Bates, a former head of Britain’s chief anti-smoking group, Action on Smoking and Health.

 

OUR HOSTESS LIT UP OMG!

Our hostess lit up at the dinner table. Was I wrong to leave the room? Add to …

The question

A little while ago, my wife and I were invited to a dinner party. It was a lovely meal, and all of us were engaging in pleasant after-dinner repartee when the hostess, who was sitting beside me, lit up a cigarette. I quit smoking 30 years ago.

I don’t like inhaling those fumes. When I pass someone smoking on the street, I hold my breath until I’m out of range.

I knew our host and hostess were smokers, but thought they only did it in one room,

to protect their adult daughter, who still lives with them.

It did not occur to me that anyone in this day and age would think it cool to light up in a roomful of non-smokers.

I got up and went to another room.

Eventually, my hostess asked whether I suffered from some ailment that was aggravated by cigarette smoke. I just said I wasn’t used to it.

My wife says since we were guests at the smoker’s house, I should have bitten the bullet. What do you think?

It would appear this man is a deranged Nazi according to every standard we who fight daily have run across these last 8 and longer years.

He’s said all the classic claims!

Could he be suffering from ASDS Anti-smoker Delusional Symptons,Id say and affirmative and resounding yes. This man is a classic case of delusional thoughts and he now writes and gets paid to do it,but whose paying him a sock puppet like ASH or CRUK?

I don’t know the man at all,dont know his background nor his politics although that seems easily identifiable!

But he is  a typical anti-smoking fanatic, fortunately he doesn’t claim to have thrown his hands up in the air when his hostess lit up. Naa, instead he goes into a tantrum and runs to a hiding place hoping his tantrum gets noticed and he does according to his story.

” Eventually, my hostess asked whether I suffered from some ailment that was aggravated by cigarette smoke. I just said I wasn’t used to it. ”

I wasn’t used to it! I gather he isn’t use to cooking foods or bad body odor or car exhausts or cookout smoke…….OMG poor man he must suffer such delusional thoughts in his daytime hours,one can only guess his nite time dreams must be sheer hell.

I can see this man believing in the ZOMBIE APPOCALYPSE in a dream being attacked by smoking zombies! But theres no place to run,no room for a tantrum its doom and gloom!

Truly todays anti-smoking fanatics must all suffer somatization complexes like this ;

Nord Med. 1994;109(4):121-5.
[Environmental somatization syndrome. How to deal with the external milieu syndrome?].
[Article in Swedish]
Nilsson CG, Göthe CJ, Molin C.
SourceMed Rehabiliteringskliniken, Huddinge Sjukhus.

Abstract
Somatization is a tendency to experience and communicate psychogenic distress in the form of somatic symptoms and to seek medical help for them. Patients suffering from environmental somatization syndrome (ESS) consider their symptoms to be caused by exposure to chemical or physical components of the external environment or by ergonomic stress at work. ESS is distinguished by mental contagiousness and a tendency to cluster. Sometimes it explodes in wide-spread epidemics that may be escalated by mass-media campaigns. Extensive ESS epidemics have been connected to, i.a., arsenic, carbon monoxide (“generator gas poisoning”), mercury (“oral galvanism”), carbon-free copy papers, electromagnetic fields (“electric allergy”) and repetitive movements (“repetition strain injury”, RSI). The typical patient directs the interest on the external environment, refuses alternative explanations of his symptoms and abhors any suggestion of a psychogenic etiology.

The community is often placed in difficult positions by lobby groups calling for drastic measures to eliminate alleged disease-inducing exposures. When hygienic evils occur simultaneously with an ESS epidemic, it is essential to strictly differ the hygienic problems from the ESS problems. If mismanaged, measures aimed at reducing hygienic inconveniences may aggravate the complex of ESS problems.

My, see how easy it is for a publichealth campaign to turn minds of mush into quivering masses of mental fodder just by inducement!

Clearly anti-smoking is a disease of the brain.

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